I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. By The owner was very knowledgeable about his business. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. Which further compromised the already doubtfull Accuracy of the Colt Style revolver! Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. Check out our forum: WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Ive got a friend in the Hill Country who is a maniac on the topic of hunting Bambis mom. The emphasis on having antlers to hang on the wall has led to a ratio of 20 does per buck, which is not a stable gene pool. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. I think the ASMs from around that time were pretty good guns. I have an ASM Colt clone. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. I might be wrong about this! And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. Treat he hammer with the same respect you treat the trigger. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . I now have two 58s one with a conversion (to 45 colt cartridge) cylinder from Midway that works great, and no black powder fouling. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Youre only hunting if you sharpen a stick and use it as a spear. But that same design made the Remington more robust than the Colts and also gave the advantage of rapid cylinder swapping. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. Model: 1858. One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time. THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. 1860 Henry Manual. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. What size/type primers are best? BORE IS IN FAIR CONDITION. A few years ago the trigger just wore out. Customer Service. 21478. SOLD If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. Well its interesting still. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. Bah! On a Remington 1858, all you have to do is flip down the loading lever, pull the cylinder pin forward, and ECCO! I have developed a way of cleaning and loading, that if followed EXACTLY, will give YOU the same degree of Reliability as I have! Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. The .44 Remmington is a very strong gun. But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). 44 BP; excellent bore, good grips, 8'' barrel, Made in Italy. I took to to a gunshop that has a lot of cowboy guns. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Gauge: 44 percussion. When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. I had not planned to involve myself in another topic, but there was so much conflicting information about what guns do and do not require involvement of the BATF. Stamped on top of octagon barrel "1855 SPAIN". Unless the revolvers were actualy made before Jan 1. I called VTI. Serves the same purpose as putting lube over the ball as described in the article, but with less mess, and assists in proper compression with lighter loads. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. Bluing on the barrel is in very 36 Caliber; 92% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Westerner's Arms 1851 Navy 6 shot revolver, .36 caliber black powder. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. Selleck also used a Winchester 1876, and there are various Winny models all over town. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. For the first 50 rounds the cylinder was very tight and a pain in the butt to fit in and out of the frame, but it is broken in and now I can change it with ease, but Im still not as fast as Clint in Pale rider. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. Very cool stuff. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. In my experience, the fit and finish of the Italian replicas is not so much who makes them as who imports them and sells them in the US. 5.5" barrel in .45 Colt. THE FRAME, HAMMER AND RAM ROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN 97% OF EUROARMS 1858 REMINGTON NEW ARMY - C56032, Westerners Arms Colt Percussion Revolver - C56011, Mendi Single Barrel Percussion Pistol - C55991, Italian Guild Remington Percussion - C55994, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. This was when ASM/Chaparral was making the infamous 73's and 66's. BORE IS FAIR. This was very helpful, Im thinking about buying one of these pistols and this gave a lot of information about the pistol and the of it. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. I weighs a ton, has a 9 inch barrel and is damn accurate. This was a very common happening in the field. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. No record exists of his ever giving an Ordinary, Plain workmanlike Pistol, to anyone who might actually have to FIGHT with the badly designed piece of Junk!!!!! The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. I HAVE A 1858 44CAL. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. BORE IS VERY GOOD 44 Caliber; 75% blue, good bore, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. Easier to load and clean. It was a good gun but it went down the road in a swap as I don't care for the grip frame on the Remingtons. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. Though the guns be identical, the first is free of any legal imcumberance, while the second has an FFL holder and a waiting period to deal with. Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). Thatd be 24 shots of fairly rapid fire, not shabby even by todays standards. Perfect for display and target shooting. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. I was told a few years back that the other gun makers in Italy approached them and requested that they work harder on the craftsmanship as they were giving the Italian gun makers a bad name. Type: Revolver. It is considered a part and can be ordered through the mail. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. ). A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. CYLINDER, BARREL AND LOADING ASSEMBLY IS BARE METAL. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. Retail $300. Type: Revolver. A great design of a pistol. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 All three of my BP weapons took the same size cap. The other great thing about the cap-and-ball revolvers is that they are not considered firearms, so you can buy all you want and have them shipped to your door. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. 1866 Rifle Manual. They now make a 92 rifles, but it does function better than the old ASM 92's. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. If you are using a big bore handgun, the little 22 seems like a free party. I did know enough about black powder to use soap and water and clean until the bubbles showed white with no discoloration, but I screwed up and did not fully disassemble the cylinder and firing mechanism and after three months in storage (before and after a move) it was a rusty mess. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. .44 Cal percussion. well, few years ago I visited a gun shop in Brescia "Palmetto" and I was looking for the double gun they were selling (Chaparral Sidebyside) . THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. New in Box-never fired. I went out of my tent and I could barely see but there was a big ass bear looking at me about 20 feet away. The bucks are off limits. THE BLUING IS VERY GOOD BUT SHOWS LIGHT OXIDATION ON THE BACKSTRAP. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. JavaScript is disabled. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. could easily have the hammer slip off his thumb, and and fall into the Half-Cock Notch, This almost always broke off a sixteenth of an inch off the tip of the sear, and using this rough edge to fire the piece, made for a very rough trigger release! Remington. This article makes me want to buy more guns! A quick look netted this info from a CAS City post: ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. THE BORE IS MIRROR BRIGHT WITH MINTY RIFLING 44 Caliber; 97% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, PIETTA REPRODUCTION OF A COLT MODEL 1860 ARMY PERCUSSION REVOLVER. THE FINISH IS A STRIKING IRIDESCENT CHARCOAL BLUING WITH A TINY SPECK OF RUST IN FRONT OF THE TRIGGER 45 Caliber; 94% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 11'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION "W. PARKER-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT PERCUSSION PISTOL. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR. Armi San Marco is out of business. If yu put a comment on his page, and advocate water to clean guns, he will immediatly foam at the mouth, delete your posting, and then tear a strip off your rear end for DARING to disagree with him! I have a pair of ASM-made and marked, EMF Hartford Colt reproduction revolvers in .45 Colt, 5 1/2" barrels. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". (not by much) sInce they use the .44 barrel boared for .22s, the strength is well past ridiculous, even for the .22 Magnum. While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. Nicks a real tech wizard. Colt .44 with 30 grain. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS AS IS THE CASE COLORED FRAME AND HAMMER. Colonel in Texas Army. Very scary as all get out. swap out ok between the same model like the 1860 Army? Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. My first cowboy pistol was an ASM EMF Hartford in .357, bought new in about '95 or '96. NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON CYLINDER. I shot them for five years until I got my Colts and they worked fine. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored I am a bit of a traditionalist so I have 50-50 lard-beeswax that I put on cylinder after loading; cleaning is easy with hot water and Ballistol. Exc condition, appears unfired. What is really going on is that the low velocity sabot or conicals drop quite a bit, and holdovers are extreme. I have two ASM revolvers, both were imports thru EMF. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. 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FOOD, Perfect for display and target shooting. One can shoot all day on a pittance. The type of man who could sell Deep Freezers and electric Fans to Eskimos! Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. The .44 ball over 35 grains is enough to kill a horse. Please click Accept Cookies to continue to use the site. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. I think if I was to get a cap and ball revolver I would look for one of the stainless steel Rugers. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. I suggest going to the local gun shop and ask if there are any cowboy action shooters around. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. Then you must like AWA Peacekeepers (made by Armi San Marco), right? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. And be sure to get the correct version of conversion. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Of course, walking around with fully-loaded and capped extra cylinders on your belt or in your pocket can be a bit dicey. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. Plain walnut grips. In the beginning, I had a pair of ASM Colt clones. Barrel: 12 inch The patent date is 1858. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. As I got older and learned about black powder, the Remington pre-cartridge design just intuitively looked stronger. Retail $300. The ASM firing pin holes in the recoil shields weren't hardened so they tend to develop a dimple that the primer flows in to binding the cylinder. But its not hunting. It just looks cooler (IMO) than the navy, walker, or dragoon. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. BORE IS NEAR MINT WITH EXCELLENT RIFLING. View more auctions here. It blew LaHood through a windowyumm. You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. I have developed a load for this gun, I call, The Medical Examiners Special! I call it thus, because I am convinced that anyone who tried to assault me, and who I hit Fair & Square twixt Wind & Water with it, well, the only Doctor who would be able to assist the person thus shot, would be The Medical Examiner! It was late at night and I could hear my dog fighting with something. He took the gun back. Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH MODERATE WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. You are to be congratulated in Choosing the BEST designed Black Powder Percussion revolver on the Market! Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. He then shoots it. Sorry for misleading anyone. FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. Buffalo. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. But the website is easy to track sale prices through the year. Black powder is scary in the beginning. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why . WW II RIBBON USS SAN MARCOS LSD-25 NAVY*EMBROIDERED POLO SHIRT/SWEAT/JACKET. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. My very first Cap & Ball Revolver was replica of aaan1860 Colt Army Revolver. gens. The Pistol was so designed, that the hammer when cocked, would suck back with it, the remnants of the cap just fired, which more often than not, would follow the principle of Gravity, so ably demonstrated by Sir Isaac Newton, and fall into the Yawning Gap, the cocked hammer revealed, So when the trigger was pressed for the next shot, there would be a sort of, Scrunch, sound, as the cap was chewed up and mashed by the falling hammer, effectivley jamming the revolver! These two revolvers just feel better ergonomically than either the Uberti .357's or the USFA .38 Special revolvers I have. THE 44-40; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 5 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52749, Lussignoli Renzo W.Parker/ London Reproduction - C53215, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Retail $300. To date I have only had two minor issues with it: - 1) the firing pin retainer had to tapped in a bit as dragged on the frame very mildly, local smith fixed that in 2 seconds.
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