It's not just Cana. These two accuse one Gnostic teacher named Marcus-- who is himself a student of the famous theologian Valentinus-- they accuse him of dabbling in pharmacological devilry. And he was actually going out and testing some of these ancient chalices. I'm not. I would expect we'd have ample evidence. And I did not dare. So it's hard for me to write this and talk about this without acknowledging the Jesuits who put me here. But I think there's a decent scientific foothold to begin that work. And yet I talked to an atheist who has one experience with psilocybin and is immediately bathed in God's love. A profound knowledge of visionary plants, herbs, and fungi passed from one generation to the next, ever since the Stone Age? #283: Managing Procrastination, Predicting the Future, and - Scribd Listen to #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More, an episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, easily on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. Amazon.com: Customer reviews: The Immortality Key: The Secret History Now is there any evidence for psychedelic use in ancient Egypt, and if not, do you have any theory as to why that's silent? I mean, this really goes to my deep skepticism. And I write, at the very end of the book, I hope that they'd be proud of this investigation. So the closer we get to the modern period, we're starting to find beer, wine mixed with interesting things. Video: Psychedelics: The Ancient Religion with No Name? Well, wonderful. So can you reflect on the-- standing on the threshold of pharmaceutical companies taking control of this, how is that to be commended when the very people who have kept this alive would be pushed to the side in that move? But in Pompeii, for example, there's the villa of the mysteries, one of these really breathtaking finds that also survived the ravage of Mount Vesuvius. Its proponents maintain that the affable, plump old fellow associated with Christmas derives from the character of Arctic medical practitioners. This an absolute masterclass on why you must know your identity and goals before forming a habit, what the best systems are for habit. What Brian labels the religion with no name. And Hofmann famously discovers-- or synthesizes LSD from ergot in 1938. So why the silence from the heresiologists on a psychedelic sacrament? What was being thrown into it? 7:30 The three pillars to the work: the Eucharist as a continuation of the pharmako and Dionysian mysteries; the Pagan continuity theory; and the idea that through the mysteries "We can die before we die so that when we die we do not die" 13:00 What does "blood of Christ" actually mean; the implied and literal cannibalism So frankly, what happens during the Neolithic, we don't know, at least from a scientific vantage. Let me just pull up my notes here. Psychedelics Today: Mark Plotkin - Bio-Cultural Conservation of the Amazon. Psychedelics Weekly - Prince Harry and Psychedelics, Proposed So I want to propose that we stage this play in two acts. She joins me for most events and meetings. CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF WORLD RELIGIONS, Harvard Divinity School42 Francis Avenue, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138 617.495.4495, my.hds |Harvard Divinity School |Harvard University |Privacy |Accessibility |Digital Accessibility | Trademark Notice |Reporting Copyright Infringements. What about Jesus as a Jew? He decides to get people even more drunk. Richard Evans Schultes and the Search for Ayahuasca 17 days ago Plants of the Gods: S3E10. PDF The continuity between pagan and Christian cult - Scandinavia The whole reason I went down this rabbit hole is because they were the ones who brought this to my attention through the generosity of a scholarship to this prep school in Philadelphia to study these kinds of mysteries. They're mixing potions. 1,672. And Ruck, and you following Ruck, make much of this, suggesting maybe the Gnostics are pharmacologists of some kind. I expect there will be. I see it as-- well, OK, I'd see it as within a minority. But I do want to push back a little bit on the elevation of this particular real estate in southern Italy. PDF Thesis-The Religion of Constantine I - University Of Ottawa CHARLES STANG: OK. So even from the very beginning, it wasn't just barley and water. In the first half, we'll cover topics ranging from the Eleusinian Mysteries, early Christianity, and the pagan continuity hypothesis to the work of philosopher and psychologist William James. So listening right now, there's at least one orthodox priest, there's at least one Catholic priest, an Episcopalian, an Anglican, and several others with whom I've been talking in recent months. Now I understand and I appreciate the pharmaceutical industry's ability to distribute this as medicine for those who are looking for alternatives, alternative treatments for depression and anxiety and PTSD and addiction and end of life distress. We still have almost 700 with us. would certainly appreciate. And how do we-- when the pharmaceutical industry and when these retreat centers begin to open and begin to proliferate, how do we make this sacred? And how can you reasonably expect the church to recognize a psychedelic Eucharist? So I think it's really interesting details here worth following up on. Then I see the mysteries of Dionysus as kind of the Burning Man or the Woodstock of the ancient world. So the basic point being, as far as we can tell, beer and wine are routinely mixed with things that we don't do today. CHARLES STANG: Well, Mr, Muraresku, you are hedging your bets here in a way that you do not necessarily hedge your bets in the book. We see lots of descriptions of this in the mystical literature with which you're very familiar. The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name He has talked about the potential evidence for psychedelics in a Mithras liturgy. General Stanley McChrystal Mastering Risk: A User's Guide | Brought to you by Kettle & Fire high quality, tasty, and conveniently packaged bone broths; Eight Sleep. And I asked her openly if we could test some of the many, many containers that they have, some on display, and many more in repository there. After the first few chapters the author bogs down flogging the Pagan Continuity Hypothesis and exulting over his discovery of small scraps of evidence he found in a decade of research. Now the archaeologist of that site says-- I'm quoting from your book-- "For me, the Villa Vesuvio was a small farm that was specifically designed for the production of drugs." A rebirth into what? And if it only occurs in John, the big question is why. Continuity Hypothesis - Keith E Rice's Integrated SocioPsychology Blog And I just happened to fall into that at the age of 14 thanks to the Jesuits, and just never left it behind. But it just happens to show up at the right place at the right time, when the earliest Christians could have availed themselves of this kind of sacrament. Nage ?] Here's what we don't. I mean, I wish it were easier. So I'm trying to build the case-- and for some reason in my research, it kept coming back to Italy and Rome, which is why I focus on Hippolytus. Newsweek calls him 'the world's best human guinea pig,' and The New York Times calls him 'a cross between Jack Welch and a Buddhist monk.' In this show, he deconstructs world-class performers from eclectic areas (investing, chess, pro sports, etc . This 'pagan continuity hypothesis' with a psychedelic twist is now backed up by biochemistry and agrochemistry and tons of historical research, exposing our forgotten history. This event is entitled, Psychedelics, The Ancient Religion With No Name? He dared to ask this very question before the hypothesis that this Eleusinian sacrament was indeed a psychedelic, and am I right that it was Ruck's hypothesis that set you down this path all those many years ago at Brown? Examine the pros and cons of the continuity theory of aging, specifically in terms of how it neglects to consider social institutions or chronically ill adults. CHARLES STANG: OK, that is the big question. I've no doubt that Brian has unearthed and collected a remarkable body of evidence, but evidence of what, exactly? That's how we get to Catalonia. And I'm trying to reconcile that. I'm going to stop asking my questions, although I have a million more, as you well know, and instead try to ventriloquist the questions that are coming through at quite a clip through the Q&A. And that's what I get into in detail in the book. And that's all I present it as, is wonderfully attractive and maybe even sexy circumstantial evidence for the potential use of a psychedelic sacrament amongst the earliest Christians. And I think it's very important to be very honest with the reader and the audience about what we know and what we don't. It still leaves an even bigger if, Dr. Stang, is which one is psychedelic? That seems very believable, but there's nothing to suggest that the pharmacy or drug farm was serving Christians, or even that the potions produced were for ritual use. Brian is the author of a remarkable new book that has garnered a lot of attention and has sold a great many copies. I just sense a great deal of structure and thoughtfulness going into this experience. I mean, something of symbolic significance, something monumental. You become one with Christ by drinking that. Is there a smoking gun? Where you find the grain, you may have found ergot. There's a good number of questions that are very curious why you are insisting on remaining a psychedelic virgin. And I don't know what that looks like. That's just everlasting. Here's your Western Eleusis. I think it's important you have made a distinction between what was Jesus doing at the Last Supper, as if we could ever find out. And I got to say, there's not a heck of a lot of eye rolling, assuming people read my afterword and try to see how careful I am about delineating what is knowable and what is not and what this means for the future of religion. And so the big question is what was happening there? So this whole water to wine thing was out there. So we move now into ancient history, but solidly into the historical record, however uneven that historical record is. The long and short of it is, in 1978 there was no hard scientific data to prove this one way or the other. So you lean on the good work of Harvard's own Arthur Darby Nock, and more recently, the work of Dennis McDonald at Claremont School of Theology, to suggest that the author of the Gospel of John deliberately paints Jesus and his Eucharist in the colors of Dionysus. And nor did we think that a sanctuary would be one of the first things that we construct. And what you're referring to is-- and how I begin the book is this beautiful Greek phrase, [SPEAKING GREEK]. Because again, when I read the clinical literature, I'm reading things that look like mystical experiences, or that at least at least sound like them. Now, Carl Ruck from Boston University, much closer to home, however, took that invitation and tried to pursue this hypothesis. 283. So I was obsessed with this stuff from the moment I picked up an article in The Economist called the God Pill back in 2007. We have plays like the Bacchi from Euripides, where we can piece together some of this. Which turns out, it may be they were. So we're going down parallel paths here, and I feel we're caught between FDA-approved therapeutics and RFRA-protected sacraments, RFRA, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or what becomes of these kinds of substances in any kind of legal format-- which they're not legal at the moment, some would argue. And I-- in my profession, we call this circumstantial, and I get it. And when Houston says something like that, it grabs the attention of a young undergrad a bit to your south in Providence, Rhode Island, who was digging into Latin and Greek and wondering what the heck this was all about. So the Greek god of wine, intoxication. For me, that's a question, and it will yield more questions. difficult to arrive at any conclusive hypothesis. And if you're a good Christian or a good Catholic, and you're consuming that wine on any given Sunday, why are you doing that? Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account, Peloton Row premium rower for an efficient workout, and You Need A Budget cult-favorite money management app.. Rick Rubin is a nine-time GRAMMY-winning producer, one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world, and the most successful producer in any genre, according to Rolling Stone. BRIAN MURARESKU: Right. What is it about that formula that captures for you the wisdom, the insight that is on offer in this ancient ritual, psychedelic or otherwise? All episodes of The Tim Ferriss Show - Chartable Psychedelics Today: PTSF 35 (with Brian Muraresku) Griffithsfund.org Frankly, if you ask the world's leading archaeobotanists and archaeochemists, where's the spiked beer and where's the spiked wine, which I've been doing since about 2007, 2008, the resounding answer you'll get back from everybody is a resounding no. And the quote you just read from Burkert, it's published by Harvard University Press in 1985 as Greek Religion. There's some suggestive language in the pyramid texts, in the Book of the Dead and things of this nature. And what the FDA can do is make sure that they're doing it in a way that it's absolutely safe and efficacious. I'm not sure where it falls. But I mentioned that we've become friends because it is the prerogative of friends to ask hard questions. 13,000 years old. To some degree, I think you're looking back to southern Italy from the perspective of the supremacy of Rome, which is not the case in the first century. And in his book [? The continuity between pagan and Christian cult nearby the archaeological area of Naquane in Capo di Ponte. But by and large, no, we don't really know. As much as we know about the mysteries of Eleusis. OK. Now let's pan back because, we have-- I want to wrap up my interrogation of you, which I've been pressing you, but I feel as if perhaps people joining me think I'm hostile to this hypothesis. Thank you. He's joining us from Uruguay, where he has wisely chosen to spend his pandemic isolation. It's not the case in the second century. Now, that is part of your kind of interest in democratizing mysticism, but it also, curiously, cuts out the very people who have been preserving this tradition for centuries, namely, on your own account, this sort of invisible or barely visible lineage of women. BRIAN MURARESKU: I look forward to it, Charlie. You take a board corporate finance attorney, you add in lots of childhood hours watching Indiana Jones, lots of law school hours reading Dan Brown, you put it all together and out pops The Immortality Key. Now, you could draw the obvious conclusion. And this is at a time when we're still hunting and gathering. Material evidence of a very strange potion, a drug, or a [SPEAKING GREEK]. So now it's true that these heresy hunters show an interest in this love potion. The Continuity Hypothesis of Dreams: A More Balanced Account And let's start with our earliest evidence from the Stone Age and the Bronze Age. They are guaranteed an afterlife. And I think there are lots of reasons to believe that. BRIAN MURARESKU: OK. And that that's how I-- and by not speculating more than we can about the mystical supper, if we follow the hypothesis that this is a big if for some early communities of Greek speakers, this is how I'm finding common ground with priests both Catholic and Orthodox and Protestants. OK, Brian, I invite you to join us now. And the truth is that this is a project that goes well beyond ancient history, because Brian is convinced that what he has uncovered has profound implications for the future of religion, and specifically, the future of his own religion, Roman Catholicism. And my favorite line of the book is, "The lawyer in me won't sleep until that one chalice, that one container, that one vessel comes to light in an unquestionable Christian context.". I mean, in the absence of the actual data, that's my biggest question. There's no mistake in her mind that it was Greek. Love potions, love charms, they're very common in the ancient. It was the Jesuits who taught me Latin and Greek. That's all just fancy wordplay. And that the proof of concept idea is that we need to-- we, meaning historians of the ancient world, need to bring all the kinds of resources to bear on this to get better evidence and an interpretive frame for making sense of it. So there's lots of interesting details here that filter through. 8 "The winds, the sea . And you find terracotta heads that could or could not be representative of Demeter and Persephone, the two goddesses to whom the mysteries of Eleusis were dedicated. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian And so if there is a place for psychedelics, I would think it would be in one of those sacred containers within monastic life, or pilgrims who visit one of these monastic centers, for example. And when I started to get closer into the historical period-- this is all prehistory. And I think it does hearken back to a genuinely ancient Greek principle, which is that only by fully experiencing some kind of death, a death that feels real, where you, or at least the you you used to identify with, actually slips away, dissolves. So to find dog sacrifice inside this Greek sanctuary alludes to this proto-witch, Hecate, the mother of Circe, who is mentioned in the same hymn to Demeter from the 8th, 7th century BC, as kind of the third of the goddesses to whom these mysteries were dedicated. So this is the tradition, I can say with a straight face, that saved my life. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to recurring overreach and historical distortion, failure to consider relevant research on shamanism and Christianity, and presentation of speculation as fact In this way, the two traditions coexisted in a syncretic form for some time before . What's the importance of your abstention from psychedelics, given what is obvious interest.
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