.ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} If one of his cars is blocking another of his cars in his driveway, it is his responsibility to move it. You may also find using traffic cones like theSunnyglade Collapsible Traffic Coneswork really well too. We have discovered that our neighbor has a bad habit of cutting across the median of grass between our driveways. Perhaps, you're not in a position to have multiple cars in the family and be forced to have to keep moving them, but, I can say that only having had a single driveway like that once and remembering the experience of having to get up and go move the car at the drop of a hat, was annoying enough, that the next time we looked for a place to live, we took the driveway into consideration. Start with safety cones and if it fails because you have insensitive neighbors who keep running them over, you have other options. Often these new, late comments are ignored just by virtue of the fact that the original thread is so old. btw, anyone can sign up to be a "professional"..that designation provides no more validity to the comments made by a pro than it does for anyone else responding. I have often been glad that someone added a comment to an old thread if it answers a question I have. A real hedge means more work but an artificial one would do less maintenance work. They may not deflate tires, as opposed to installing steel spikes, but they should make your neighbor think twice. A fence can also add beauty, especially when you have the design you wanted. I painted it white so there was no mistake as to what it was, and where it was ._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} Maybe you didn't read my entire comment - my last sentence. "And it is your driveway and you are in the right, to want. He had a lousy neighbor who would occasionally block him in. You would need to file a police report against the offender, and it would be up to law enforcement whether or not they decide to pursue the matter. I understand different people feel differently. Leave the 2 cars in the driveway when things are going smoothly in their lives and park it on the street, when they're having a particularly stressful week. Unbeknownst to me, until I was about to go to court, a neighbor across the street from me had cameras all over her property and was kind enough to copy them for me. Add message. Installing spike strips is a straightforward way to warn car owners from parking on your lawn. ._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4{width:100%}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA{display:none}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA,._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:block}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:none} Their daughter, Elizabeth Williams, said they were "absolutely devastated . Blocking of access can mean several things, such as putting up signs and putting up barriers. ._1aTW4bdYQHgSZJe7BF2-XV{display:-ms-grid;display:grid;-ms-grid-columns:auto auto 42px;grid-template-columns:auto auto 42px;column-gap:12px}._3b9utyKN3e_kzVZ5ngPqAu,._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px}._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP:before{content:"";margin-right:4px;color:#46d160}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{display:inline-block;word-break:break-word}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-weight:500}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-weight:400;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-top:13px;margin-bottom:2px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO ._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;margin-right:4px;margin-left:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y{border-radius:4px;box-sizing:border-box;height:21px;width:21px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(2),._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(3){margin-left:-9px} I, personally, would rather be passive-aggressive and plant bushes/build a fence or something . Which is the best thing at that point. As for the different forums. And NmgKB identifying as a pro doesnt really mean anything. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. But you can solve that problem in many different ways, such as: As weve mentioned many times over in our previous articles, talking to your neighbor is still the first step in dealing with this kind of issue. Yard spikes placed on the lawn are usually done so to deter animal pests like raccoons from destroying vegetation. Besides, if you haven't noticed, Houzz is always linking to these old threads and connecting them to the current thread by topic not date. These are designed to resemble the shape and feel of real rocks, making them realistic. I thought a track rod system (http://m.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/art/70188683/) might be a good option, so we went to ikea and got what we needed. If you feel the thread is dead, why do you post to chastise the person who posted a new response and keep it going? and the women usernames are "gtfo of my lawn a$$hole" (albeit nicer words haha). And thats your opinion. Posts need to be tall enough that they can be seen so that you are not creating a hazard. The sharp spikes will instantly deflate vehicle tires upon contact. Road verge - Wikipedia The cops sided with me as I had made a few reports to them about the incidents. I have asked them nicely not to do it and they still continue to do so. The neighbour has now put up notices on his fence stating: 'No parking, privately maintained grass verge' Credit: SnapperSK Steven insists the grass verge is fair game and claims he should be allowed to park where he likes near his home in Tibshelf, Derbyshire. Neighbour driving over grass verge There is a strip of grass at the front of my house between my property boundary and the road. These are usually placed on the lawn to deter animal pests from destroying vegetation but work great for scaring neighbors vehicles away. After daisy said it looks like you own very little of that strip, looking back at the photo and the layout plan of the two properties, it doesn't add up. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} I certainly post pretty direct and strong worded comments some of the time and do my best to communicate in a way that is respectful but you dont always know how something you say is going to be received, all you can do is remind yourself once in awhile to do your best. Sometimes people post things that hit a nerve and you get a bazillion replies that are all over the place. You might also enjoy our post on How to Keep Neighbors From Parking in Front of My House. Claiming a grass verge? BBC Gardeners' World Magazine @ GGal - You do recognize my screen name right? When we bought the house the name sign was on it as was the for sale sign. Stop vehicles and mud on a grass verge | Jacksons Fencing 10 February 2021 at 4:10PM Im happy to see old threads resurrected. But how do you keep neighbors from driving on your lawn? As a last resort, you can lay down yard spikes to scare them from driving anywhere near your property. Again speaking only for me, that ends up being more helpful because as you sort through all the replies, you start to solidify what sounds like the best path forward for you personally. The best barriers to keep cars off lawns are those that are visible enough to offer drivers an early warning, and sturdy/firm enough to stay in position upon contact with a vehicle. In London, parking on pavements and grass verges is banned unless there is a specific sign saying it is permitted. The fork should be positioned at a 45-degree angle to loosen the compacted soil. It takes just one to raise the dead, but it takes many to keep it alive. " WestCoast Hopeful, no it is not one year old. These things dont get resolved at the speed of an Internet forums wants! I think some of the recent comments have not read the OP carefully. ._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa{margin-top:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._3EpRuHW1VpLFcj-lugsvP_{color:inherit}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa svg._31U86fGhtxsxdGmOUf3KOM{color:inherit;fill:inherit;padding-right:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._2mk9m3mkUAeEGtGQLNCVsJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;color:inherit} Please help! Would the council remove this if asked? You guys must think this neighbor is really stupid. It is actually from July of 2020. We put down foam with tire shredders. How to deal with door at grade level and deck installation. I am very glad that I had my documentation too! ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} If new posters are interested in the topic, just a Google search will turn up related Houzz/GardenWeb comments without the need to provide additional and uninformative current comments. Now where grass used to be, it is beginning to look churned up, muddy and unsightly. Defiant Steven Riley, 59, claims he has no choice but to yank the pegs o Always remember anyone can post on the MSE forums, so it can be very different from our opinion. A subreddit for stories of annoying neighbors. And even though fiberglass is lightweight, the rocks come with ground anchors so that intruding vehicles wont knock them away. When the river is in flood at the bottom of the village the no. Because they think that all their old content is valuable to them as a garden discussion website, I would assume. Keep reading as we will discuss all these further below. There are only a few inches of grass there. Hedge boxes are somewhat pricey but it will definitely get your message across. I'm wondering what you think of the color - does it clash with the red chair? A couple who cut a grass verge outside their wealthy neighbour's home for 12 years have been given the land by a judge in a "squatters' rights" ruling following a lengthy court battle. You don't notice it's an old one. Then my co-worker sued and the neighbor went to jail. Youre going to need proof after filing your police report. When his son's car is blocking him in, rather than asking his so to move the car, he cuts through the grass & uses our driveway to bypass said car. If that's a problem for you, then I suggest you simply disengage from it. Unless of course, your neighbor is too inconsiderate to even bother and would just dart through destroying all the pots. This will usually go to small claims court if the damage is minor, and a judge will decide the amount they will have to pay. There are several ways to keep your neighbors from driving on your lawn. Its not uncommon to find tire ruts on your lawn every time your neighbor holds a block party and their friends decide to use your lawn as a parking spot. If you just look at the layout on paper, it looks like neither of you have a full driveway, but looking at the photo, both driveways look adequate and about the same. I dont see a problem with that at all. Why is the clarification of this so hard for some to accept?? Sometimes, somethings they say grow down there only grow under very limited conditions. For shallow ruts that are no more than four inches deep, loosen the compacted soil by prying it with a spade fork. Also, I would hope I had other things to do beside watching neighbors comings and goings, 24/7 - on camera! It recommends a flexible framework which should be used as a policy for dealing with this problem. In a final episode, tempers flared and the neighbor went to push my co-worker and pushed my co-workers wife instead who was standing next to her husband. Is There Anything You Can Do to Stop People from Parking & Driving over Ashley, any updates? 6 March 2021 at 5:40PM edited 6 March 2021 at 5:42PM in House buying, renting & selling. The poster is not complaining that her neighbor is driving onto the grass strip. Because that's a normal action when you buy a new house. Thanks for sharing your opinions! Especially with little kids in the family, it's dangerous. With so little activity on GardenWeb, I don't understand why anyone would discourage anyone from contributing, let alone to make it an unpleasant experience where they might hesitate to post at all the next time. I just noticed something. Hell plow through hedges and lighting posts. It is important that strips of roadside verge should be safeguarded from any illegal attempts to inclose them for the following reasons. Worried it is bringing down property value in your neighborhood or, Read More My Neighbor Doesnt Mow His Lawn (Do This to Make Him!)Continue. On a landscape design forum - meant for all comers, many gardeners without expertise, feel free to simply offer an opinion. Copyright 2023 Lawn Model | Powered by [Chris Wheeler, 7 Best Barriers to Keep Cars off Grass + Stop Parking on Lawn, What to do if your neighbor keeps driving over your Lawn, Grass Turning Yellow Causes + Fixes to Turn it Green, When to Apply Grub Control: Best Timing to Put Down Grub Killer, Does Soapy Water Kill Lawn Fungus? 01/05/2022 08:58. Before you burn bridges with your neighbors, we have some handy tips and ideas to keep cars off your grass. You can either choose those that add beauty to your yard or those whose sole purpose is to act as a barrier. So I went to court, showed my documents along with the police reports and they pretty much laughed him out of the court room. How do I stop people parking on a grass verge? - PistonHeads ), Disadvantages of Mulching Grass (Best Way to Mulch). Property consultant Marcus Heaney, 50, went to war with pensioners Hilary and Edward Kirkby over the patch of grass in Thorp Arch, near Wetherby, West Yorkshire. This happened to me as well! The land is often public property, with maintenance usually being a municipal responsibility.Some municipal authorities, however, require that abutting property owners . And reallywhat is the harm to you or anyone else if there are old threads hanging around, or if there is a post that has no value 'to you' added to an old thread? The overgrown mess is our wall which we would remove and finish off the driveway, behind that covered in snow is the grass verge. Another way on how to keep cars off a lawn is to put up a surveillance camera in your yard. I moved into this house in Parklands 2.6 years ago and have constant hassles with my nabour they interfere in every aspect of my property harasses me..I've kept quiet now it is so out of control that they harassing my dogs throwing stones over my wall that my dogs bark and disturb my other nabours, interfere with my tenant tell lies, cause chaos turn tenant against me overload my electricity, burn electrical wires out, tenant dont pay rent now I've made an harassment case against them, eviction case for tenant Everything is out of control. We picked out a light gray panel and brought them home andblah. You are not the neighbor from hell for wanting your property and the surrounding area to look nice and not trashy. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Artificial fiberglass rocks are a more cost-effective alternative to real rocks. Put out a sign saying "soft verge". @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} So, very appropriate to alert someone to that fact. You can see the narrow opening from the dropped kerb and how because of the car already parked on the drive, we'd likely need to drive across the verge. Hi Houzz friends, We've been focused over the last month or so trying to figure out the best window covering in here. Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. Yard Blogger is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. This just seems like sort of a trivial problem, honestly. All the better, makes for a much easier solution for him and fewer obstacles for the neighbor wanting him to stop using her driveway. 155 If a neighbour is driving across the grass verge/footpath into their property to park their car. Required fields are marked *. Finally, roll back the sod over the new topsoil mix and reseed any bare spots. Press J to jump to the feed. Iknow this may be extreme but explain what is going on to the city planning commission and may be they might know how to handle this. Old, dated threads are resurrected for no other reason than the current commenter has not noticed the original post date (or the date of subsequent comments) or has chosen to tack on a similar question rather than starting a new thread addressing their specific issue and attaching photos or other necessary information. In fact, many of the so-called pros that respond to the gardening or landscaping questions have no more expertise in these matters than any of the hobby gardeners that may respond. Pissed! Adding more comments (and those which added nothing new to the discussion and were directed specifically to the OP) do not add any current value to the discussion and are really just a restatement of previous comments and/or suggestions. However, if they keep ignoring your pleas to keep their vehicles off your lawn, consider taking legal action against them. He has no right, and no good reason to use her driveway. The next door neighbour said it's ours. If it's not your land there is nothing you can personally do about it. Solar lights? I think that is part of the reason for the variety of responses here on how to handle this. ". Parking posts/bollards usually feature reflective color strips painted on them, making the edge of the lawn more noticeable at night, as well as reducing the chances of the driver hitting the posts. 13/11/2017 15:23. Should be a simple and easy conversation. I want to buy my neighbour's grass verge - MoneySavingExpert Forum We had a neighbor like this. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). It ripped his front bumper off and damaged his right headlight. Option 7 - Pave Existing Verge Some people dont t realize they have replied to an old thread and lowly wasted their time. Because of this I have to drive forward . an alternative solution would be to excavate the verge to 3 foot depth , backfill with something very soft/hollow (empty boxes) , then grass over. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. Keep neighbors from driving on your lawn by politely asking them to stop this behavior. For the best results, a 50/50 mix of one part soil and one part compost (or one part sand) is recommended. Its comparable to the safety fence discussed earlier as its also retractable and can be adjusted sideways to the desired width. She is not concerned about her neighbor driving onto her little strip of grass, which would be a minor inconvenience. I don't get it - do we have hall monitors here? You might not want to be that kind of neighbor but sometimes, calling the cops will work. and I had similar problems down there. Ive been here since 2002, so thats 22 years. Next, loosen the rutted soil a bit more before filling in the rut with a soil mix. Hence the reason i point to a small perennial garden that will smell good bloom a lot and be no work, with out messing on her part. like isaid before be passive aggressive as last resort. Information on Highway Verges | Open Spaces Society Factsheet As a last resort, you can lay down yard spikes to scare them from driving anywhere near your property. If you use it to stop people from driving on your lawn, it could backfire on you as you may need to pay for the damaged tires. My next door neighbours are currently having work done on their house. He doesn't need to park in the street or shift cars around. But neighbour Matthew Hooton says he has a "licence to maintain and plant on the verge" from his local authority. While this will involve you spending on different products, it can help ease your mind as they do their job well in deterring people. I have never seen spirea down there? Yup. If that doesn't work, install barriers like hedges, outdoor pots, and lawn rocks to block access. Their comment essentially condemned all previous comments and told everyone that their comments were wrong. Ive resurrected old threads plenty of times intentionally and unintentionally. I enjoy being able to look out the front of my house and not into someone else's living room, but increasingly this. Elderly couple who cut wealthy neighbour's grass verge for 12 years If so, show the neighbor the damage. While Keep off the Grass signs are popular, people tend to ignore them, but not if you choose a classy sign like the SmartSign Stay Off Grass Sign with Stake. [g] Anyway - to me its simple. Double points if justice in an ice cream cream cone This type of yard fence is usually held in place by ground stakes and comes in a variety of colors that suit different landscape aesthetics. As long as he's not damaging the grass when he drives across it, I'm not sure I'd pick this as a hill to die on. The neighbor is using her driveway, not just her portion of the grass. And it is your driveway and you are in the right, to want. 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It seems a problem that takes care of itself. Pro tip:Before installing a fence around your lawn, check with your residential management committee to confirm if such outdoor structures are allowed in your neighborhood. Maybe it only takes you telling them to stop so they will stop. If my neighbor keeps driving over my lawn,I would choose this option. Neighbours Parking On Our Grass Verge - Netmums The last comment was a year ago and there is no reason to revive this thread. So we basically just disagree on the subject. A road verge is a strip of grass or plants, and sometimes also trees, located between a roadway (carriageway) and a sidewalk (pavement). him to stop using it. Now got to the stage where he has ruined the grass, just turning it into a muddy mess. You work hard to make sure your lawn looks nice and tidy. That is the way these stale threads become resurrected in the first place!! They also took the time to, years later, tell basically all previous commenters how wrong they were for commenting.